Podcast E080: Is it okay to use emoji's in business?

January 9, 2019

Life Updates

  • Kyle: Played the worst game of poker I’ve ever played last night. But it all ended well.
  • Adam:  Rain. Lots of Rain.  Still weird to see car missing from driveway..ala Avalon took it. Going to Join F3.

WordPress News

Kyle’s Latest Song over on Soundcloud


  • Adam: WPEngine Beenie / coffee  / The Daily Stoic, Ryan Holiday
  • Kyle: BigCommerce “Kind of a big deal” t-shirt, Sandhills Development hoodie / virgin mimosa  / Harry Potter of Chamber of Secrets


  • What are the best options and practices for emoji use and do you recommend a resource for determining possible meanings? – Jen
  • Is there a question you were afraid to ask? > Location services: Block or allow? Is there any risk with allowing this? – Nehemiah

Segment: Top Dev

  • A segment where we give each other “ingredients” to build a site with certain required tools.

Lyrics to Kyle’s Song


I’m the biggest WordPress fanboy that you’ve ever seen

making websites every day now

Every single one is optimized and feature rich and so incredible

everyone is asking me how

Well sit down and let me show you how to develop a website

install WordPress everything is just right

A couple points a couple clicks now we’re almost there

load it up in the browser and prepare to stare

Oh no! Too slow!

I guess I’ll go to Magento

Goodbye WordPress

You couldn’t pass this test

It’s you, not me

You lack this one thing that I need

WordPress, no contest

Is the world’s OKest CMS

Ecommerce is my specialty I employ WooCommerce, Ninja Shop

and EDD especially

Every site that I deploy brings joy but more importantly

makes big money

I’m a master, earning profits much faster, every alternative

would be a total disaster

Get rich I shall

but what’s this I’ve gotta ticket ‘bout a problem with PayPal…

Oh my! Can’t buy!

I guess I’ll move to Shopify

The WordPress admin is so easy to use

I point and click and publish, round the interface I cruise

When I release new posts I watch my traffic soar

all my followers are begging me for more

I live by the rule that content is king

and benefit from open source publishing

I’m a gifted writer all my fans say I am

I’m moderating comments which…are mostly spam?

I shoot, I’m toast

I guess it’s time to switch to Ghost

I got all the themes and plugins that I’ll ever need

giving me the design and features to succeed

These tools are so powerful with prices so low

But one of them is asking me to upgrade to pro?

What a disgrace

I’m now migrating to Squarespace

I’ve got menus and custom post types

and these new block things that seem alright

There’s nothing more stable you will find that’s a fact

oh shoot did my site really just get hacked?

I’m filled with rage

and sticking to a Facebook page 

Podcast E079: Recapping 2018 & Predictions for 2019

January 2, 2019

Life Updates

  • Adam:  Back from Cali.  Boys. Friends. Family. Good time.
  • Kyle: Holidays with the family. Things are good.


  • Adam’s friend Jessica joined Automattic as Happiness Engineer


This week we recapped our 2018 Predictions and gave ours for 2019.

  • For 2018, Kyle “won”  9 to 8.5 in the points.

Adam’s 2019 Predictions

WP Software Project

  • 2 releases:  5.1 and 5.2
  • core Trac open tickets down by 1000
  • I will get “props”

Community – jobs/ changes

  • 1 big merger with hosting
  • 1 medium-sized agency closing.
  • 9 people making a move that we both know.
  • 2 new guests on this show
  • Sara Dunn and Dustin Hartzler both on show at the same time

Personal for myself.

  • grow the maintenance biz by 3x (or shut it down! )
  • launch a new podcast/show
  • Surprise Dustin.
  • Attend 8 WordCamps / 2 other conferences
  • Speak at a non WP conference. Possibly for money!
  • Take at least 2 vacations of more than 3 days each.
  • Visit another country.

Personal for kyle

  • another blessing?   cat / dog / baby?
  • live outside USA for 4-5 weeks
  • be in a documentary.
  • run in a 5k


Kyle's Predictions:

WordPress the software

  • One major release
  • Something will be gutted from core and there will be some commotion about it
  • Core trac will surpass 50,000 tickets all time=
  • We’ll see the final 4 digit tickets closed (83 remain)

WordPress the community / ecosystem

  • WordPress will get another reference in pop culture which gets written about in WP news
  • One major change to the WordPress journalism space will occur (Tavern, Torque, Post Status, WP Lift, etc.)
  • One of the camps that Adam or I plan on attending (Dayton, Jackson, Ann Arbor, US, Raleigh, Asheville, Detroit, Grand Rapids, Chicago) will end up cancelled
  • Someone will make a WordPress graveyard site/page


  • Adam will take a job
  • One of us will produce a musical piece which gets attention outside of our normal audience
  • We will present something together at a WordCamp
  • I will surprise someone else in WP


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Podcast E078: What are our predictions for the eCommerce space in 2019?

December 19, 2018

Life Updates

  • Kyle: WCUS. Wow. I spoke.
  • Adam: WCUS. Wow!   I spoke! Surprise!  // Daughter 4/4 colleges apps!

WordPress News

  • WCUS 2019 –  dates announced – Nov 1-3, 2019




  1. What are your predictions for the eCommerce space in 2019
  2. What are examples of jargon you heard people talk about but don't understand? -> JasonAPI

Segment: The Personal Question

Thanks to Project Panorama for sponsoring this weeks episode.

Podcast E077: What is a Custom Database Table?

December 5, 2018

Life Updates

  • Kyle: Lots of time practicing talk for WordCamp US next week. It’s pretty set. But fitting this amount of information into ten minutes is a real challenge.
  • Adam:Landed a new client for CWP Maintenance.

WordPress News

  • WCUS is this week!  Woohoo!  We are there right now?



  1. What does custom database tables mean
  2. Best automatic membership plugin? (users pay a fee to become a member, renewals are automated)

Segment:  Vague Rant Up

  • Kyle: Why are WordCamps always on weekends?
  • Adam: Clients baffled when prices go up, 8 years later!?

Thanks to OrganizeWP for sponsoring this weeks episode.



Podcast E076: How Do I Pick A Niche?

November 28, 2018


  • Kyle: Holy Hickory! I cannot handle all the leaves. Please send help….with rakes!
  • Adam: Low Key Thanksgiving. Turkey sandwiches and all the sides! Yum.

WordPress News

  • WP 5.0 Delayed… until?




  • How to pick a niche  -Karen
  • How do I get a guest spot. -Elizabeth

Segment: do_enqueue()

Adams Que:

Kyle’s Que:

Thanks to OrganizeWP for sponsoring this weeks episode.

Podcast E075: Blurred Lines: Personal & Professional

November 21, 2018

Life Updates

  • Kyle: Back from Vacation. Thx to JetBlue!
  • Adam: Clients…  PM using PP? //   Daughter accepted to college!
  • Ross: Open digital marketer position. Internal rebranding.

WordPress News


  • Adam Warner – now at GoDaddy
  • Chloe Condon – now at Microsoft



  • Why do columns not work in Gutenburg? – Gregg Franklin
  • Where do you draw the line between personal and professional development? ….Like how do you choose which conferences to attend and in those which sessions to go to? Jen Miller

Segments: Personal Questions & Unordered Lists

Podcast E074: Customer Interactions Matter

November 14, 2018

Life Updates

  • Dustin: New house update – still not done. Getting cold in Ohio.
  • Adam: Clients stuff. Garage bookshelves 2/3 done!

WordPress News.

  • WP 5.0 pushed from Nov 19 to 27th




  • Halloween Candy favorites – Kyle
  • Any “toss the desk” interactions from customers? -Kyle

Segment: Personal Question

Podcast E073: Everything will be okay

October 31, 2018

Life Updates

  • Kyle: Gig today
  • Adam:  All things open!  //  Dodgers in World Series!

WordPress News




  1. What is an aspect of WordPress which is really not working for you these days? -Nehemiah Harmsen
  2. Can you tell me how to win the Powerball drawing so I can tell all of my clients to go away and leave me alone? -Paul Oyler

Segment: Open Source Options

  • Review responses to our questions.
    • Stagnant Side Projects.
    • Where to go live for a month.

Podcast E072: Expect the Best, Plan for the Worst

October 24, 2018

Life Updates

  • Adam:  Work. The realization that when I need focused time for work heading to the library. place 49ers! Dodgers – maybe?
  • Kyle: That Packers v. Niners game was so good!!!! Also been trying out dark mode in Mojave.

WordPress News


  • Tunbosun Ayinla and Mandy Jones join Sandhills Development



  1. Given the huge growth of page builders now, it would be interesting to tackle the question that one can sometimes get – well, maybe not really a question, more of a comment with a skeptically-raised eyebrow, of “You’re using a page builder?” And I’ve had that both from individual clients who pretty much wouldn’t know one end of WordPress from the other, and as part of contract jobs where they do. -Vaughn Simons
  2. WC Jackson Q's  Is there a question you were afraid to ask?  How big a Charlie Foxtrot is Gutenberg going to be – anonymous

Segment: Deletable History


Podcast E071: Time Management vs Client Management

October 17, 2018

This week we welcome Tara Claeys to the show.  Tara runs the Design TLC Agency and is a co-host of  The Hallway Chats Podcast

Life Updates

  • Kyle: working on some talks for upcoming WordCamps.
  • Adam: just took daughter to work.. She drove!  
  • Tara: Hanging at the Jersey Shore.


  • WP Simple Pay joins Sandhills Development



Adam: WCOC 2016 / Coffee WC2014 mug  / finished Your Second Life Begins When You Realize You Only Have One & The Richest Man in Babylon.  Reading ROBIN.

Kyle:  Mojo Marketplace hoodie over Yith Plugins WCUS17 t-shirt / Coffee from TJ Max / The Drawing of the Three

Tara: Women Who WP Shirt/Black Coffee/ Just finished Little Fires Everywhere (a novel) Celeste Ng. About to start a book of short stories for a book club. Also just ordered the book The Magic of Tiny Business – You Don’t Have to Go Big to Make a Great Living, by Sharon Rowe


  1. Here's one that's been bothering me lately: if I have several ongoing projects at once, how do I divide up my time? The work requires enough concentration that I lose a lot of productivity if I try to work on multiple projects in the same day, and sometimes in the same week. Do I tell the clients “Okay, YOU get the first week of the month, the next person gets the second week,” or what? Plus of course, they all have urgent issues at the same time It's not made easier by the fact that I have unpredictable health issues that throw me off schedule.  – Sally Goetsch
  2. What is an aspect of WordPress which is really not working for you these days?- Daryl Alexander


  • Personal Question
  • Unordered Lists